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		<title>By: Customers Are Talking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mistake Bank&#8217;s Groundswell Awards Nomination</title>
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		<dc:creator>Customers Are Talking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mistake Bank&#8217;s Groundswell Awards Nomination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Caddell</title>
		<link>http://pmtips.net/mistakes-matter-postproject-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-2456</link>
		<dc:creator>John Caddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth, great points. One way of passing on messages is creating a &quot;story bank&quot; where stories of past projects are maintained and made available and discussed. This is one of the ideas behind the Mistake Bank. A friend of mine, Cynthia Kurtz, is developing an open source project called Rakontu to allow groups to create and maintain their own story banks. 

I&#039;d love to see every PM group have a story bank that is constantly referenced, updated and discussed to inculcate these lessons learned.

If you want to learn any more about Cynthia&#039;s project, you should check out http://www.rakontu.org/

regards, John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth, great points. One way of passing on messages is creating a &#8220;story bank&#8221; where stories of past projects are maintained and made available and discussed. This is one of the ideas behind the Mistake Bank. A friend of mine, Cynthia Kurtz, is developing an open source project called Rakontu to allow groups to create and maintain their own story banks. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see every PM group have a story bank that is constantly referenced, updated and discussed to inculcate these lessons learned.</p>
<p>If you want to learn any more about Cynthia&#8217;s project, you should check out <a href="http://www.rakontu.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rakontu.org/</a></p>
<p>regards, John</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really interesting discussion.  From my perspective though it&#039;s not about learning from successes or mistakes (aren&#039;t they just two sides of the same coin?) but making sure that these lessons are passed on.  If you do something well, or if you make or avoid a mistake, you learn from that, but no one else will unless you tell them. The method for passing on these messages is often lacking in project-based organisations.  Besides, lessons are always more powerful (and thus more learned) if they happen to you.  Someone didn&#039;t listen to the sabretooth warning or they would never have approached with that burning branch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really interesting discussion.  From my perspective though it&#8217;s not about learning from successes or mistakes (aren&#8217;t they just two sides of the same coin?) but making sure that these lessons are passed on.  If you do something well, or if you make or avoid a mistake, you learn from that, but no one else will unless you tell them. The method for passing on these messages is often lacking in project-based organisations.  Besides, lessons are always more powerful (and thus more learned) if they happen to you.  Someone didn&#8217;t listen to the sabretooth warning or they would never have approached with that burning branch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Caddell</title>
		<link>http://pmtips.net/mistakes-matter-postproject-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-2453</link>
		<dc:creator>John Caddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, thanks for weighing in. You make an important point that not all types of projects are the same. Many significant projects, such as those you mention, share significant good practices and using those good practices is crucial (even life-saving).

At the same time, you mention that even in these projects there are areas where mistakes are made again and again. I&#039;d contend that these are the &quot;complex&quot; bits of the project--the ones where humans insert themselves the most and where there human interactions are most unpredictable. Requirements gathering is one you point out. These human errors are not ones that best practice can deal with very well.

One method of improving and learning in the complex context is to gather stories, look for patterns, and make changes based on what the patterns reveal. These can be mistake stories or success stories (or just &quot;this happened and then this happened&quot; stories). Systematically gathering the stories at the end of each project, making sense of them, then applying those lessons to the next project, over and over again, can help work through even those stubborn repeated mistakes.

I&#039;m talking to an organization about doing precisely this with their project management function as part of an overall improvement program. If anyone is interested in learning more about the approach, you can email me at john@caddellinsightgroup.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, thanks for weighing in. You make an important point that not all types of projects are the same. Many significant projects, such as those you mention, share significant good practices and using those good practices is crucial (even life-saving).</p>
<p>At the same time, you mention that even in these projects there are areas where mistakes are made again and again. I&#8217;d contend that these are the &#8220;complex&#8221; bits of the project&#8211;the ones where humans insert themselves the most and where there human interactions are most unpredictable. Requirements gathering is one you point out. These human errors are not ones that best practice can deal with very well.</p>
<p>One method of improving and learning in the complex context is to gather stories, look for patterns, and make changes based on what the patterns reveal. These can be mistake stories or success stories (or just &#8220;this happened and then this happened&#8221; stories). Systematically gathering the stories at the end of each project, making sense of them, then applying those lessons to the next project, over and over again, can help work through even those stubborn repeated mistakes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking to an organization about doing precisely this with their project management function as part of an overall improvement program. If anyone is interested in learning more about the approach, you can email me at <a href="mailto:john@caddellinsightgroup.com">john@caddellinsightgroup.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Milton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Milton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to work with engineering and oil drilling projects rather than software, so maybe the context is not the same, but many people say &quot;we cannot learn because every project is different&quot; and this does not stand up to scrutiny. Every project involves applying the same principles (good scoping, broad optioneering, rigorous risk management, contracting strategy, procurement, relationship management etc etc) to a different context, and we can perfect the principles. After all - if every project were different, then you could not learn from mistakes either, as every mistake would be different. However we commonly see the same mistakes repeated - insufficient planning, poor scoping, poor definition of requirements, scope creep. What we need is successful ways to deal with these.

Lets look at your sabretooth analogy. Eventually, someone said &quot;if you wave a burning branch at the sabretooth, they back off&quot;. Surely that&#039;s where the great leap forward came?

Learning from trial and error teaches you to avoid error. Learning from trial and success teaches you to succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to work with engineering and oil drilling projects rather than software, so maybe the context is not the same, but many people say &#8220;we cannot learn because every project is different&#8221; and this does not stand up to scrutiny. Every project involves applying the same principles (good scoping, broad optioneering, rigorous risk management, contracting strategy, procurement, relationship management etc etc) to a different context, and we can perfect the principles. After all &#8211; if every project were different, then you could not learn from mistakes either, as every mistake would be different. However we commonly see the same mistakes repeated &#8211; insufficient planning, poor scoping, poor definition of requirements, scope creep. What we need is successful ways to deal with these.</p>
<p>Lets look at your sabretooth analogy. Eventually, someone said &#8220;if you wave a burning branch at the sabretooth, they back off&#8221;. Surely that&#8217;s where the great leap forward came?</p>
<p>Learning from trial and error teaches you to avoid error. Learning from trial and success teaches you to succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: John Caddell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Caddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Elizabeth,

Thank you for your mention of the Mistake Bank and sorry I didn&#039;t notice it till now! 

I&#039;d like to comment on the observation that successes matter too, and we should keep record of good practices for future use.

I agree with that sentiment, but I believe that use of best practice in project management is limited. Most projects I&#039;ve been involved with (software development, systems implementation) are complex in nature--that is, they have so many moving parts, human, technological and otherwise, that each is unique. In these environments, there&#039;s a school of thought that avoiding mistakes may be more useful than trying to emulate best practice.

This has roots, according to proponents, in our evolution. Our ancestors learned by trial and error, and shared stories to convey those learnings: &quot;One time a guy walked close by the sabertoothed tiger and got eaten; best to keep your distance.&quot;

Another trap with &quot;best practice&quot; is that it makes us feel good to remember the positive things that happened, and as a result we can avert our eyes from what went wrong.  We then make the same mistakes over and over again (have you ever seen that happen?).

Because mistake learning is so useful, and because it&#039;s become so unnatural to us (who want and expect 100% success, especially when we have a project plan that says so!), posts like yours are very important to help change people&#039;s thinking.

regards, John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Elizabeth,</p>
<p>Thank you for your mention of the Mistake Bank and sorry I didn&#8217;t notice it till now! </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to comment on the observation that successes matter too, and we should keep record of good practices for future use.</p>
<p>I agree with that sentiment, but I believe that use of best practice in project management is limited. Most projects I&#8217;ve been involved with (software development, systems implementation) are complex in nature&#8211;that is, they have so many moving parts, human, technological and otherwise, that each is unique. In these environments, there&#8217;s a school of thought that avoiding mistakes may be more useful than trying to emulate best practice.</p>
<p>This has roots, according to proponents, in our evolution. Our ancestors learned by trial and error, and shared stories to convey those learnings: &#8220;One time a guy walked close by the sabertoothed tiger and got eaten; best to keep your distance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another trap with &#8220;best practice&#8221; is that it makes us feel good to remember the positive things that happened, and as a result we can avert our eyes from what went wrong.  We then make the same mistakes over and over again (have you ever seen that happen?).</p>
<p>Because mistake learning is so useful, and because it&#8217;s become so unnatural to us (who want and expect 100% success, especially when we have a project plan that says so!), posts like yours are very important to help change people&#8217;s thinking.</p>
<p>regards, John</p>
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		<title>By: Looking back: Post Project Reviews &#171; Releasing Software</title>
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		<dc:creator>Looking back: Post Project Reviews &#171; Releasing Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Links for May 17 2009 &#124; Eric D. Brown - Technology, Strategy, People &#38; Projects</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links for May 17 2009 &#124; Eric D. Brown - Technology, Strategy, People &#38; Projects</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mistakes matter: post-project reviews by Elizabeth Harrin on Project Management Tips [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Making lessons learned stick &#124; Project Management Tips &#124;&#124; Project Management, Collaboration and Knowledge Management Blog</title>
		<link>http://pmtips.net/mistakes-matter-postproject-reviews/comment-page-1/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>Making lessons learned stick &#124; Project Management Tips &#124;&#124; Project Management, Collaboration and Knowledge Management Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week I looked at some of the issues with running lessons learned or post-implementation reviews and recommended that these sessions are not left to the end of the project. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick: Absolutely!  It&#039;s really important to learn from successes so that good practice can be repeated again.</description>
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